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Post by sanahelwa on Nov 11, 2011 21:44:14 GMT -5
I heard there was no one from Occupy Melbourne at the peace corner today, but that there were several Ron Paul supporters. Looks as if they have hijacked the location!
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Post by mrliberty on Nov 11, 2011 22:03:05 GMT -5
The Ron Paul group has been meeting there for a while. They are very dedicated.
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Post by sanahelwa on Nov 12, 2011 9:38:04 GMT -5
From what I heard, several people who were going there to attend an Occupy Melbourne sign wave were put off by the Paul people, and thus left. It isnt fair for one political group to infiltrate and hijack Occupy Melbourne events. BTW when I attended sign waves, there was only on Paul person there, so I wouldnt say "they" have been doing that there for ages.
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Post by Solus Hospes on Nov 12, 2011 10:50:12 GMT -5
That is a good observation and a good point, Sanahelwa. I must however point out that no one made anyone leave. It was reported that those who did attend the wave separated from where the Ron Paul supporters were gathered and independently waved their signs. Those who were "put off" chose to leave because their offense from the Ron Paul individuals making a stand was more important to them than making their own stance for Revolution. That is the beauty of free will. Obviously others were either not bothered or had different priorities.
To those who were there at all (whether they chose to leave because of the Ron Paul supporters or not) I thank you.
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Post by sanahelwa on Nov 12, 2011 15:15:37 GMT -5
No, no one was made to leave, but those who drove by and saw no OWS signs went home. The stance for the "revolution" cannot be made, if the message to the public is mixed, i.e. more supporters for a political candidate than for the movement. However, one OMF person was harassed and called names by the Paul people. That would certainly make me leave. Revolution or not, no one needs to arrive and then be intimidated by hijackers. I think you can be pretty sure from now on wherever OMF goes so do the Paul contingent, if for no other reason than to just mess with the message.
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Post by Solus Hospes on Nov 12, 2011 19:20:30 GMT -5
We didn't see anyone at A1A and 520 when we went either but we chose to stand on the corner anyway, ourselves. Any one of those individuals could have made the same choice at the peace corner. As they say, greatness isn't measured in your accomplishments but rather how much discouragement it takes to stop you.
You are absolutely right that no one deserves to be harassed or called names but this isn't grade school. This is the real world and if we back down every time we're intimidated by someone we're not going to get anywhere in this. It starts with the individuals making the choice to stand rather than walk away. Everyone has that choice and should own up to making it. I've made it a time or two myself. Sometimes you just don't feel right going it alone but at least own up to that and not try to shuffle responsibility elsewhere. That's how I personally feel about it.
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Post by GaryP on Nov 13, 2011 0:50:15 GMT -5
Well . I was there . & I will be sharing my thoughts & Obsevation with the G A on Monday . As a Group Ron Paul people didn't Hijack conner ( may have been mislead by a member within there ranks ) Was explained by me to " most " of the Ron Paul people that ( At least the people that were there supporting Occupy that night at conner ) occupy didn't want to support " ANY " candidate , therefore would not stand on east side of northeast conner , but on the north side of the northeast conner . Most Ron Paul supporters that I talk to may not have agreed but understood ....
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Post by gm0ney on Nov 13, 2011 10:19:23 GMT -5
Thanks GaryP,
I was unable to attend this Friday, now I wish I had regardless. I'm going to start making some Anti-Ron Paul Signs just for when those people show up -not to be antaganistic, but just to show that we are not united with that idea.
(as a side note: as for all the candidates thus far I like ROn Paul the best. I voted for Obama last time, and I don't think I will again. I mean, I knew he was a corperate stooge, but given the underlying craziness of the other guys, I thougth he would be the least bad choice. But I am tired of the Dems making half-measures, fighting half-heartedly and then saying "at least we're not the other guys." The truth is, as I see it, they ARE the other guys pretending not to be. It's time to show them -if you're going to pretend to be liberal, then actual act like it and vote like it -otherwise I'll vote against you just to get you out of the way.)
<gets off soap box> there I feel better.
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Post by Mireille on Nov 14, 2011 1:03:18 GMT -5
It's time to show them -if you're going to pretend to be liberal, then actual act like it and vote like it -otherwise I'll vote against you just to get you out of the way. Yeah, that's a great idea. Let's give it to the conservatives so that they can actually continue to pass their 1% agenda.  <off topic> Ron Paul is financed by big money. If you want a candidate that doesn't take big money and no donations of more than $100, try Buddy Roemer. He's running but without the big money he can't even get a spot in the debates. Still conservative, but at least he's "free to lead", supports OWS and not nuts: youtu.be/h7y2l29BVNg Until the 99% has a candidate, Obama is still my guy</off topic> |
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Post by gm0ney on Nov 14, 2011 12:28:34 GMT -5
not to be argumentative, but I see little difference -at least they're honest about it. The Dem's lack of spine and compromise before the negotiations have even begun in the hopes that the other side will be more accommodating, which have proven time and time again that they just keep taking and refusing to budge -I mean, no one is THAT stupid. It's got to be a rigged system, they have to know what they are doing by throwing the game this way. And most of the things Obama got passed (with half measures) only made things worse and served the Corporations anyway in the guise of reform. The people he put in place as his ministers only serve the system that we are against -so I want to get rid of his whole cabinet.
I'd like to Vote Elizabeth Warren for pres. if I could, but I doubt if Obama wins now, that she will be a real option in 2016. People will be MORE sick of Democrats by then, there will be no hope -no ones going to vote for Biden, he doesn't have the Charisma. Four more years of Repub. hell would only cement the people against the 1%.
I am hopeful that things evolve differently by the time election day comes, but the realist in me says that that is unlikely unless some great disruptive revelation that changes everything (AND everybody believes it) occurs by then, it won't happen.
How are we supposed to give the De ms the message? Unless we are willing to remove our support from the Democrats, they will sit confidently in their high seats and go on as if nothing is happening. I am open to practical concrete suggestions -I just don't see any other option than throwing the De ms down the tubes this cycle. (If we aren't willing to do that, we have no real leverage with them.) Maybe I'm just too cynical, but I'm tired of seeing the same thing happen over and over again.
IDK, maybe if I saw some serious legislation being drafted that was putting an end to money in congress; and maybe a proposal to the constitution that explicitly states that corporations aren't people, and don't have 1st amendment rights: then I might be willing to vote dem.
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Post by Mireille on Nov 17, 2011 11:10:29 GMT -5
I can appreciate your comments, but I don't believe in throwing the dems away to make a point. The Republicans will take us even further away. That was the thought process in 2010, and now we got the Tea Party in there as a result, which has been a disaster. I think if Obama has a democratic house, he would be able to get more things done. Although he seems to be more moderate than I would like, he is better than ANY republican.
I completely agree with your thoughts on Elizabeth Warren. Although it is looking good, she still has to win the senate seat first.
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Post by evanne on Nov 17, 2011 11:45:18 GMT -5
Elizabeth Warren is amazing, and she is exactly who I think we need to have in politics, smart people with specialized knowledge of the issues we're facing. Why do we not elect economists and foreign relations experts and all that?
Obama is definitely too moderate for me, but anyone who is moderate enough that really need to be the one's in charge is likely to be. I am pretty far to the left in my beliefs, but I also think that things work best on a large scale when true moderates run things with the advise of the extremes from both sides. 'Moderate' though is being dragged to the right, and has been for decades, so that a true moderate like Obama gets called a socialist. He's not a socialist, I know me from socialism.
I remember when he took office, he said that he'd fight for us, but we'd have to do some hard things. I think this is one of them. We need to bypass the system that is being used to camouflage the fact that we are not in favor of how much corruption has become the process. We need to be out in the streets showing them that we need jobs and justice and a living wage and better corporate regulation along with all the other things that would make life better for the 99%.
Corruption has become the system. We tried to elect an outsider, and now he is stuck in that corrupt system. We need to rise up against that system so that all of our elected officials can get back to working for us.
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