Post by remmyhun on Nov 10, 2011 16:15:01 GMT -5
DISCLAIMER: The below is based from truth. My perspective. These are suggestions as much as they are perspective to help others decide how they want to handle things. In the end, it really comes down to "You either do or you don't". That's to say you either do something or you do nothing.
People tend to make things complicated. Even complex problems can be simplified, though I recognize in some cases you impair progress by simplifying. In turn, you can expedite progress by simplifying. So here goes...
"So-n-so is trying to take over the Occupation and force others to do things their way!"
--> Don't let them. Banks, Corporations etc all did/are doing the same thing to the 99%, but we've decided to stand up and fight back. We're not leaving America, we're standing up for our rights in a peaceful manner (most of us).
In turn, if leaving America isn't the answer, how is leaving Occupy Melbourne the answer?
"Nothing in this group (Occupy Melbourne) is getting done..."
-->It's good to call things out but to just complain without giving any solutions or even stepping up and doing some of the things 'not getting done' is completely unproductive. One person can't do everything, but everyone can do something.
Occupy Orlando along with a ton of other Factions work well and are productive because they work together. People volunteer, offer what assistance they can.
So you have a full time job (or two) and a family. You can only attend a few meetings and maybe a sign event or two if you know ahead of time. So do it. Every little bit helps. If one person volunteered even 2 hours of their time a week to get projects further along, progress would be made. Think about it.
"Someone's trying to move the GA site location to exclude people! To pass Proposals most or some of us wouldn't pass!"
--> Maybe, maybe not. Whether it can be proved or not is irrelevant. How do you handle such a thing? Simple; create and agree on a protocol for secondary votes.
IE, Proposals at a GA are for first vote. If it passes at the GA it's posted somewhere on the board for a final vote by all members. You can even set timeframes, like "Must complete vote by 11.16.11" etc for time sensitive proposals. This way there's a 'fail safe' of sorts.
"Information should be posted everywhere." or "Information should be kept in one place, or it's too confusing!"
--> When you go to someone else’s house, their spare roll of toilet paper may not be kept in the same place as yours. But, once you ask them where it is, you know. And you know for all future visits to their house, where that spare roll is if you need it.
People don't think in the same way, the thought process and line of logic differs from person to person. Even so, most all of us are capable of learning and adapting. Posting everything everywhere is inefficient and adds extra unnecessary work for those posting. If we spent that time simply educating people where to look for what, and they educate others who ask then in a short time that extra time can be spent actually getting things done that need to be done.
Maybe a proposal needs to be made to designate the Website for XX, the Facebook Group page for quick updates (events, updated posts on the forum, updates on the website, requests for help etc in short with links to the full details on the necessary pages), the Forum for XX, XX and XX.
Before you complain, or make a claim about something being this or that, I ask that you think about the benifit of this information. Is it productive? Is it helpful? If the answer is no to either of those, I encourage you to think of how to turn it into progress or determine what the actual problem is and include possible solutions. Problems without solutions or ideas for solutions gets us no where.
::steps of soapbox::
Remmy Ar'emen[/i]
"Some tangerines have more seeds than others. They may otherwise taste the same, but the added seeds can make it less enjoyable."
People tend to make things complicated. Even complex problems can be simplified, though I recognize in some cases you impair progress by simplifying. In turn, you can expedite progress by simplifying. So here goes...
"So-n-so is trying to take over the Occupation and force others to do things their way!"
--> Don't let them. Banks, Corporations etc all did/are doing the same thing to the 99%, but we've decided to stand up and fight back. We're not leaving America, we're standing up for our rights in a peaceful manner (most of us).
In turn, if leaving America isn't the answer, how is leaving Occupy Melbourne the answer?
"Nothing in this group (Occupy Melbourne) is getting done..."
-->It's good to call things out but to just complain without giving any solutions or even stepping up and doing some of the things 'not getting done' is completely unproductive. One person can't do everything, but everyone can do something.
Occupy Orlando along with a ton of other Factions work well and are productive because they work together. People volunteer, offer what assistance they can.
So you have a full time job (or two) and a family. You can only attend a few meetings and maybe a sign event or two if you know ahead of time. So do it. Every little bit helps. If one person volunteered even 2 hours of their time a week to get projects further along, progress would be made. Think about it.
"Someone's trying to move the GA site location to exclude people! To pass Proposals most or some of us wouldn't pass!"
--> Maybe, maybe not. Whether it can be proved or not is irrelevant. How do you handle such a thing? Simple; create and agree on a protocol for secondary votes.
IE, Proposals at a GA are for first vote. If it passes at the GA it's posted somewhere on the board for a final vote by all members. You can even set timeframes, like "Must complete vote by 11.16.11" etc for time sensitive proposals. This way there's a 'fail safe' of sorts.
"Information should be posted everywhere." or "Information should be kept in one place, or it's too confusing!"
--> When you go to someone else’s house, their spare roll of toilet paper may not be kept in the same place as yours. But, once you ask them where it is, you know. And you know for all future visits to their house, where that spare roll is if you need it.
People don't think in the same way, the thought process and line of logic differs from person to person. Even so, most all of us are capable of learning and adapting. Posting everything everywhere is inefficient and adds extra unnecessary work for those posting. If we spent that time simply educating people where to look for what, and they educate others who ask then in a short time that extra time can be spent actually getting things done that need to be done.
Maybe a proposal needs to be made to designate the Website for XX, the Facebook Group page for quick updates (events, updated posts on the forum, updates on the website, requests for help etc in short with links to the full details on the necessary pages), the Forum for XX, XX and XX.
Before you complain, or make a claim about something being this or that, I ask that you think about the benifit of this information. Is it productive? Is it helpful? If the answer is no to either of those, I encourage you to think of how to turn it into progress or determine what the actual problem is and include possible solutions. Problems without solutions or ideas for solutions gets us no where.
::steps of soapbox::
Remmy Ar'emen[/i]
"Some tangerines have more seeds than others. They may otherwise taste the same, but the added seeds can make it less enjoyable."
